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<br>若圖方便，拿個操作的衝票總數充當成是了解「民眾反應」，恐怕是太不自重了。</p><p>前面已表達個人看法：<br>貿易談判、外交業績之需求，不須凌駕食品安全之上。<br>貿易外交為政者，請自重。</p>","isBlankAuthorName":false,"isSpam":false,"isDeleted":false,"isDeletedByAdmin":false,"liked":false,"beforeNow":"2015-08-16 09:44:43","links":[],"images":[]},{"msgUid":2196589507,"userUid":"da712fb3-1c17-4d35-b634-101114352d75","oriContent":"<p>有沒有灌票的問題，至少 Google 表單那邊有紀錄 IP，這邊我猜也有，應該不需要你操心<br>我們的政府若沒有日本壓力，根本不會考慮解禁</p><p><a href=\"http://jp.reuters.com/article/2015/05/12/taiwan-hayashi-idJPKBN0NX03V20150512\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://jp.reuters.com/article/...</a><br>20150512: 台湾の日本産食品輸入の規制強化、ＷＴＯ提訴も含め検討＝林農相</p><p>四縣食品解禁的消息早就在問卷調查意見(8/5)之前，放消息給日本記者跟官方了，問券我猜只是要了解民眾反應而已<br>決策十之八九早就做好了，頂多只是微調整</p><p><a href=\"http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXLASGM22H2V_S5A720C1MM0000/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.nikkei.com/article/...</a><br>2015/07/21:  茨城など４県の食品輸入、台湾が一部再開へ　福島は保留</p><p><a href=\"http://www.sankei.com/world/news/150810/wor1508100029-n1.html\" 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2015/07/21: 茨城など４県の食品輸入、台湾が一部再開へ　福島は保留 http://www.sankei.com/world/ne... 2015/08/10: 日本食品「解禁の方向」 台湾・外交部長 我肯定你後半部的寫法，可以拿資料來比對，至少就有討論的空間 我也希望主管機關回復，日本對於土地、水汙染的疑慮，有沒有什麼回覆 希望你附一下資料的引用來源連結，以便查證 你的第一筆我目前只有找到二次資料，找不到援引的原始資料 感謝","status":"ENABLE","anonymous":false,"agreeCount":0,"disagreeCount":0,"displayStyle":"normal","isAnonymous":"N","hasMoreReply":false,"canOpenModifyBox":false,"beforeNowROC":"104年08月16日","isEnable":true,"author":{"userUid":"da712fb3-1c17-4d35-b634-101114352d75","userId":"DISQUS-fuhosnmg@gmail.com","userRegisterFrom":"DISQUS","userEmail":"fuhosnmg@gmail.com","userStatus":"Y","nickName":null,"userProfiles":[],"isAdmin":false,"openId":"fuhosnmg@gmail.com","displayName":"Albert","profilePicture":null},"content":"<p>有沒有灌票的問題，至少 Google 表單那邊有紀錄 IP，這邊我猜也有，應該不需要你操心<br>我們的政府若沒有日本壓力，根本不會考慮解禁</p><p><a href=\"http://jp.reuters.com/article/2015/05/12/taiwan-hayashi-idJPKBN0NX03V20150512\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://jp.reuters.com/article/...</a><br>20150512: 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283 項侵台，日方表示：希望台灣能接受 http://buzzorange.com/2015/03/... ◎ 從日本經驗，看過去到未來的輻射食品安全 https://www.hucc-coop.tw/15548 ...長期研究大規模環境污染議題的中地重晴指出，311福島核災後，日本官方並未照預定時程進行有關排水、土壤除污的工作，且海洋污染與廢爐等問題也尚未有適合的解決方案。 ... 輻射污染並不會依照同心圓的方式擴散... (詳見上方聯結原文所示：奧地利監測被曝百分比示意圖) ◎ 核災後 4 年，存在高核輻射污染的情況 【摘自 http://www.huf.org.tw/essay/co... 土壤與水源反映作物與食品原物料，有增加夾帶、吸附核污染的高風險疑慮，而大豆則為許多醬油、味噌、大豆油的主要原料，日食輸台食品又以加工食品為大宗。 A) 土壤污染： 2014 年 7 月福島到新瀉的自行車道土壤的銫污染地圖中，可以發現即便距離福島核電廠一百多公里遠仍還有驚人的 55,700 貝克/平方公尺的濃度； B) 水產污染： 2015 年 7 月日本公告各縣市的水產檢測中，可發現福島、宮城、櫪木、群馬縣市皆有高標輻射量的水產被檢出[註2]，而且這些是淡水魚。 C) 農產污染：2013年日本的農產檢測顯示出福島、宮城、岩手、櫪、群馬、茨城、千葉等多縣的大豆作物有嚴重污染情況。","status":"ENABLE","anonymous":false,"agreeCount":0,"disagreeCount":0,"displayStyle":"normal","isAnonymous":"N","hasMoreReply":false,"canOpenModifyBox":false,"beforeNowROC":"104年08月16日","isEnable":true,"author":{"userUid":"f23167c1-b565-4558-90c0-cb6f2c79ea67","userId":"DISQUS-disqus_aVs2ROlM02","userRegisterFrom":"DISQUS","userEmail":"doodle.ette@gmail.com","userStatus":"Y","nickName":null,"userProfiles":[],"isAdmin":false,"openId":"disqus_aVs2ROlM02","displayName":"紀米鹿","profilePicture":null},"content":"<p><br>貿易談判、外交業績之需求，不須凌駕食品安全之上。</p><p>為了貿易業績、外交業績而對問卷進行灌票，更令人不齒。</p><p>(另致政策平台的主管部會：<br>對於操作灌進數千票的明顯現象，在呈現問卷結果時，能否有適當區隔說明呢? 不要拿官腔回應。)</p><p>略舉幾篇論述如下，供大家參考。</p><p>◎ 日核災區食品 283 項侵台，日方表示：希望台灣能接受</p><p><a href=\"http://buzzorange.com/2015/03/25/japan-nuke-food-import-to-tw/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://buzzorange.com/2015/03/...</a></p><p>◎ 從日本經驗，看過去到未來的輻射食品安全<br><a href=\"https://www.hucc-coop.tw/15548\" rel=\"nofollow\">https://www.hucc-coop.tw/15548</a></p><p>...長期研究大規模環境污染議題的中地重晴指出，311福島核災後，日本官方並未照預定時程進行有關排水、土壤除污的工作，且海洋污染與廢爐等問題也尚未有適合的解決方案。<br>... 輻射污染並不會依照同心圓的方式擴散...<br>     (詳見上方聯結原文所示：奧地利監測被曝百分比示意圖)</p><p>◎ 核災後 4 年，存在高核輻射污染的情況<br>【摘自  <a href=\"http://www.huf.org.tw/essay/content/3177】\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.huf.org.tw/essay/co...</a></p><p>土壤與水源反映作物與食品原物料，有增加夾帶、吸附核污染的高風險疑慮，而大豆則為許多醬油、味噌、大豆油的主要原料，日食輸台食品又以加工食品為大宗。</p><p>A) 土壤污染： 2014 年 7 月福島到新瀉的自行車道土壤的銫污染地圖中，可以發現即便距離福島核電廠一百多公里遠仍還有驚人的 55,700 貝克/平方公尺的濃度；</p><p>B) 水產污染： 2015 年 7 月日本公告各縣市的水產檢測中，可發現福島、宮城、櫪木、群馬縣市皆有高標輻射量的水產被檢出[註2]，而且這些是淡水魚。</p><p>C) 農產污染：2013年日本的農產檢測顯示出福島、宮城、岩手、櫪、群馬、茨城、千葉等多縣的大豆作物有嚴重污染情況。</p>","isBlankAuthorName":false,"isSpam":false,"isDeleted":false,"isDeletedByAdmin":false,"liked":false,"beforeNow":"2015-08-16 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